Mondo Zen: Wake Up, Grow Up
Reverend Doshin Hannya and Ken Wilber

Doshin is a poet, speaker, troublemaker, and teacher: a Zen priest of no rank. He is the founder of Integral Zen, Inc., the Colorado branch of Jun Po Roshi's Hollow Bones Zen Order, as well co-founder of the Poetry of Dying Project, which uses the mirror of death to point to the essence of life. Here he and Ken talk about some of the general contours of an integral approach to buddhist thought and practice, while also commenting upon some of the particulars of the Mondo Zen approach.

Doshin begins the discussion by asking Ken about a fairly common problem that he's noticed amongst the integral students and practitioners that he's come across--namely, many of them simply know too much. In other words, it can be easy to confuse our maps of consciousness with the actual territory of consciousness--even when the words this is just a map are watermarked on nearly every page. If left unchecked, this can take quite a toll upon our spiritual development, as we end up substituting intellectual knowledge about enlightenment for first-hand experience of enlightenment.

That said, it really is one hell of a map, reminding us of the most important nooks, crannies, and wrinkles of our psychological and spiritual maturity--even the ones we can't or won't let ourselves see. Ken and Doshin stroll through each of the major points and practices of Integral Buddhism, while discussing some of the interesting ways Mondo Zen can help to accelerate your journey toward your own greatest freedom and fullness....